tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36647723.post4250393289538803603..comments2023-09-09T00:30:46.617-07:00Comments on Hearos (Insights) on Daf Yomi: sotah 26a - sotah waters and zechus for childrenAvi Lebowitzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10757679478618591719noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36647723.post-70861222049588017542008-06-19T11:26:00.000-07:002008-06-19T11:26:00.000-07:00to further challenge theproof fom arayos, i ust fo...to further challenge theproof fom arayos, i ust found that the cheshek shlomo quotes from shiyarei korban that when the gemara asks what is the chiddush of being able to give kinuy to arayos and doesn't answer that the chiddush is to include even arayos that are mutar in yichud, implies that our gemar holds that kinuy and stira only apply when there is an issur yichud (but r' shlomo vilna himself disagrees with the diyuk).Avi Lebowitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10757679478618591719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36647723.post-47591622882257230752008-06-19T08:22:00.000-07:002008-06-19T08:22:00.000-07:00sorry i guess i got it backwards.sorry i guess i got it backwards.Avi Lebowitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10757679478618591719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36647723.post-88545785852291210992008-06-19T07:58:00.000-07:002008-06-19T07:58:00.000-07:00I think R'Akiva makes the statement you attributed...I think R'Akiva makes the statement you attributed the R'Yishmael and R'Yishmael argues and says if so, all barren women would do this and the tzanua woman would lose out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36647723.post-48528413671097828382008-06-19T05:48:00.000-07:002008-06-19T05:48:00.000-07:00that is a proof from rashi on the mishna who lists...that is a proof from rashi on the mishna who lists her father among the arayos that kinuy helps for. that is really what i quoted from the rambam. i think a better simplr proof wold be from stira with a goy 26b even though yichud is only drabonon as the 18 gezeiros of beis shamai and hillel (avoda zara 26b). nonetheless, yichud with a relative is technically yichud just that with some (father and brother) chazal weren't concrned for biah, so it is misaver that if the husband is concerned by giving kinuy it will qualify as stira. this will still not prove that stira can apply without a real yichud. however, by chana it is unlikely that she would of made her husband suspucious about yichud with her father, rather it would be with another man. therefore it will prove that it takes lessto qualify as stira than as yichud like the tosafos shantz.Avi Lebowitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10757679478618591719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36647723.post-917470147122152352008-06-19T03:07:00.000-07:002008-06-19T03:07:00.000-07:00there is a more obvious proof - you can have kinuy...there is a more obvious proof - you can have kinuy and setirah for the girls father, where there is no issur yichud!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com