tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36647723.post6803336067870833824..comments2023-09-09T00:30:46.617-07:00Comments on Hearos (Insights) on Daf Yomi: Chagiga 12a - Which Was Created First: Heavens or Earth?Avi Lebowitzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10757679478618591719noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36647723.post-41313110154207677802007-08-03T11:29:00.000-07:002007-08-03T11:29:00.000-07:00helloyou can write some biographies of personnalit...hello<BR/>you can write some biographies of personnalities of <A HREF="http://www.jewisheritage.fr" REL="nofollow"> jewisheritage.fr </A><BR/>shalommarcelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720452733537296234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36647723.post-57268901498706517122007-04-19T12:24:00.000-07:002007-04-19T12:24:00.000-07:00interesting to note that structurally speaking, ma...interesting to note that structurally speaking, many Mishnayos are build in a 1,2-2,1 system. Example is the mishna in Avos perek 5: <BR/>שבעה דברים בגולם ושבעה בחכם, החכם אינו מדבר וכו and many others. There are times where it is 1,2-1,2 (isn't the gemara in Nedarim or somewhere that discusses this?)<BR/><BR/>as an aside, Rav Moshe always discusses the 1st 2 Psukim in the Torah and in general terms this is what he says. The 1st pasuk discusses the ideal state where Shamayim and Eretz are connected as they should be. The 2nd Pasuk is the break down of והארץ being to herself in a disconnected state. It is in that Pasuk that all the 4 גלויות are described as the famous Medrash says תוהו זה יוון וכולי, for a different time.Yossie Schonkopfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15939094862678918894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36647723.post-1362628682222157272007-04-19T11:51:00.000-07:002007-04-19T11:51:00.000-07:00good explanation about te'vah, although its signif...good explanation about te'vah, although its significance is still not so clear.<BR/>i had the same question about holding back the sun. i thought that perhaps the tzlach means that any change that is perceived on this world is included in aretz rather than shamayim.<BR/>regarding the tzlach's peshat of etzbah elokim, it is definitely not the pashut peshat as you point out.<BR/>regarding the kabbalistic insight - i am not old enough, give me another few years!Avi Lebowitzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10757679478618591719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36647723.post-29812072502383945362007-04-19T09:29:00.000-07:002007-04-19T09:29:00.000-07:00you are correct the טבע is not found in תנך the re...you are correct the טבע is not found in תנך the reason is that the words in the Torah are the essence themselves and Nature or "mother nature" doesn't really exist. The idea is that when the sages coined this term as we perceive things, the used a term that hints to a g-d.<BR/><BR/>I have trouble with this tzlach, what about when the sun and moon stood for Moshe and Yehushua, wasn't that a miracle in Shamayim? and we see in our gemara that they are in the רקיע which is called שמים? <BR/><BR/>Lastly, saying that Etzba Elokim is not an admition of the Chartumim seems a stretch and definitely not the simple meaning. <BR/><BR/>Kabalystically, there is a concept of מחותם לנחתם meaning that as creation goes from one world to a lower world in the endless chain of worlds that are from the Creator himself up to our existence, the concept is that there is a mirror image just like a stamp engraves into an object. (like we see that Man and woman are opposites). This is a very deep concept and is beyond me, but i think it is the deep meaning of our gemara.Yossie Schonkopfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03479853537436540170noreply@blogger.com