R' Nota Greenblatt was in Palo Alto and we were busy doing gittin all day, so i didn't have time to post.
Quick point: Re: The source for not making wedding on chol hamoed, what is the difference whether it is bec. of ein mearvin simcha b'simcha or bec. of v'samchata b'chagecha and not your wife? It may be true that ein mearvin is more general in that it applies to other situations and also other forms of mitzvah conflicts like bris and pidyon as tosafos points out. The question is doesn't the other opinion also agree in concept to ein mearvin, why would they need a special pasuk to exclude ishticha (your wife)?
4 comments:
The keren orah says all 4 opinions in the gemorah don't argue but they are explain that what it says in the mishna "ein nosin nashim lo besulos lo almonos vlo meyavmin" just say ein nosin nashim and the rest is included. look there
We understood that vesamachta bechagecha and not your wife means don't get married on chag b/c the simcha with your wife would supercede the simchas hachag, thereby neglecting entirely the simchas hachag. Ain mearvin is understanding that both simchos would be felt, but since it would diminish the focus on simchas hachag it is assur. Peirush Rashi Haamitti says that according to Rav any simcha that is not mevatel simchas hachag for it, Rav holds you can be mearvin.
Tosfos on the very bottom of 8b clearly states that the two reasons argue, "we pasken like R' Ashi in Chagiga (like Rav in our sugya) that darshens bechagecha vlo bishticha and it isn't forbidden to be mearaiv simcha bsimcha".
So you don't get the wrong idea, I sent the previous comment using my wife's email account. It is actually my comment.
Aron Katz
i was going to say that i never had a post on my blog before from a shaindy - and i live in california where these things are considered "normal".
i see your point from tosfos that rav doesn't agree at all to the concept of ein mearvin, and therefore learns that only the specific contrast of marriage on yom tov is what the pasuk assurs.
the gemara seems clear along the lines that you are saying that the nature of the issur is the same. when the gemara asks from marriage on erev yom tov it groups the 2 reasons together as the "opinion who says bec. of simcha". The difference between the 2 reasons must be in severity as you point out. also, rashi is very meduyak that acc. to ein mearvin the problem is that that you must be involved in simchas yom tov "only" - which implies that the other reason would allow another simcha so long as it does not overwhelm the simchas yom tov as marriage does.
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