58b davar shlo ba laolam

• the mishna says that if the husband is makdish his wifes maaseh yadayim it doen't become kadosh. the gemara 1st says that reason must be that although he is prepared to feed her but she doesn't want the mezonons and this is why it doesn't become kadosh - hence, a proof to rav hunas opinion. the gemara then says that its no proof since we can be talking in the mishna the husband doesn't have what to feed her with and then the gemara struggles to find a chidush.
• according to the gemara later, we could've answered that if we disagree with rav huna, then even if he is feeding her, still the hekdesh will only work if we hold that a person can be makdish something that is not in this world yet, (because in rish lakish he says that the reason he can be makdish and its considered in the world is because the husband can force her to work).
• similarly in the 1st tosfos, when he says (as does rashi) that according to rav huna our mishna is not talking when he is actually feeding her because if he is then he can be makdish her work, tosfos could've said that according to rav huna since he cannot force her to work so even if she is feeding her still he can't be makdish her work if you hold that you cannot be makdish davar shlo ba laolam. comes out that both from the gemara and from tosfos we see that the gemara is assuming that a person can be makdish davar shlo ba laolam. ****any thoughts???