Wednesday, January 03, 2007

Rosh Hashana 29b - Delayed witnesses

The witnesses came after mincha and there was a kilkul in that they said either the weekday song for afternoon tamid, or no song at all. Tosafos asks that there should be a much more serious problem. Since they assumed it would not be yom tov, they would not have brought the Korban Mussaf. Tosafos answers that they would have brought the Mussaf even after the afternoon Tamid since the public mitzvah of mussaf pushes off the mitzvah of making the Tamid the last korban of the day.
2 points:
1. Tosafos implies that when a korban is brought after the afternoon Tamid, it is considered to be a private violation done by the kohen sacrificing the mussaf, not a public violation to make sure no korbanos are brought after the Tamid.
2. Even with Tosafos answer the mussaf should still be a greater kilkul since it causes a violation of the aseh to bring the Tamid as the last korban of the day. The violation of 'aleha hashleim' should be more serious than the weekday song? Based on my first point, perhaps the very minor violation of the wrong song is more severe since it is on behalf of the public, than the violation of a "aleha hashleim" which was transgressed only by an individual.

2 comments:

Yossie Schonkopf said...

reb avi,
gevalige point! I will just add that mybe the shir is more in the cheftza of the kurban as tosfos says that acc to some it is meakev, however the aseh of hashlama is outside the kurban. maybe.

Zvi Katz said...

Take a look at the rambam 3: 5,6 and he clearly understands the kilkul is the korban. also when he brings down this halacha and it is not clear to me that he understands the mishna to be talking about rosh hashana I think the rambam could be understanding that the mishna is talking about rosh chodesh