Friday, November 10, 2006

Beitza 15b - Simchas Yom Tov

The gemara in today's daf asks on R' elazar why he was so strict about leaving the drasha, simchas yom tov is a mitzah? The gemara says that acc. to r"e it is only a reshus since he holds you can do all for hashem or all for lachem.
I think the gemara fits nicely into the rule that you are not mevatel learning for a mitzvah that can be done later (or by someone else as we see in moed kattan). Simchas yom tov is not a mitzvah like lulav, but rather applies every minute of the day and requires one to be in a state of simcha, so the gemara asks it is a mitzvah that can't be done later so why didn't r"e want people to leave (since they were getting hungry, they were not violating the mitzvah of simchas yom tov)? To this the gemara answers that acc. to r"e it is a reshus - meaning that although it is certainly a kiyum mitzvah, it is not a chov bec. one can choose to devote the entire day to learning or eating or split as he wishes (ya'avetz), therefore it is not a mitzvah that must be done now so you may not stop learning for it.

4 comments:

Yossie Schonkopf said...

since we pasken 1/2 and 1/2, the rambam goes to great detail to cut the hours of the day in half (not including the nught!), and the mishna brura says we are mekayem the din by davenin eating and theen lerning all before mincha time and then after mincha enjoy the day.

2 points, first, since this is deoraysa then why arent people more machmir on this? you see from our gemara that eating is not enough, for even r eliezer talmidim ate

second, why is eating breakfast part of the 1/2 day which is for to hashem?

Yossie Schonkopf said...

regarding your orginal post, I was agreeing with you, but i just looked in the chidushei hameiri and he wants to say that even acc to rebi eliezer (maybe) you are only patur while you lern, but when one stops to learn he will be obligated. i found this interesting...

Avi Lebowitz said...

r' yossi
i think that what you are quoting from the meiri is consistent with what i said. even r' elazar agrees that simchas yom tov is a mitzvah, but it is a type of mitzvah that you don't have to stop learning to do. therefore, so long as you are learning you are exempt from simcha but as soon as you stop learning you must do simcha.

Yossie Schonkopf said...

Yes, but usually we stop learning for a mitzva, so here we have a chidush, a mitzva that we do not stop learning for. not a q just a chidush.